D-AIFB From Germany, joined Feb 2001, 121 posts, RR: 0 Posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 21909 times:
Lufthansa enlarges its fleet
06.12.2006
Supervisory Board approves orders for 27 new aircraft
At its meeting today, the Lufthansa Supervisory Board approved orders for a total of 27 new aircraft. Twenty of those orders are for new long-range Boeing 747-8 jets, with deliveries scheduled to begin in 2010. A further seven Airbus A340-600 long-haul aircraft will be joining the fleet from 2008. Lufthansa has also taken out options on a further twenty of the B747-8 type. With the order placements, Lufthansa is underpinning its planned growth in intercontinental traffic and, simultaneously, replacing some of the existing aircraft in the fleet.
"With aircraft types in the B747 series from Boeing, on the one hand, and others from the A330/A340/A380 family from Airbus, on the other, Lufthansa is ideally equipped to strengthen and expand its leading position in intercontinental traffic," said Wolfgang Mayrhuber, Chairman of the Executive Board of Deutsche Lufthansa AG. The orders reflect Lufthansa's growth and profitability targets. "By modernising the fleet, the new aircraft will bring further gains in efficiency as well as reduce fuel and operating costs. Both aircraft types are sustainable investments in ecological efficiency and add greater weight to Lufthansa's active commitment to environmental protection," said Mayrhuber. And he emphasised: "Today's decision on the fleet underscores Lufthansa's clear commitment to customer orientation and profitable growth as well as the deep sense of responsibility it brings to bear on environmental issues and sustainability. With these new aircraft we will reduce emissions lastingly by 20 per cent compared with earlier models."
Only profitable and sound companies are today in a position to invest in modern, fuel-saving, quiet and thereby environmentally friendly and economical long-haul aircraft for their customers. "Lufthansa is modernising, Lufthansa is growing and Lufthansa investing in further progress and a successful future," Wolfgang Mayrhuber emphasised. A modern and well-structured fleet forms the backbone of a service and market-driven airline.
Wolfgang Mayrhuber continued: "With the orders for the highly modern B747-8, Lufthansa is setting standards. The Boeing B747-8 is more than just a derivative of the successful Boeing B747 series." The airline will be the world's first carrier to operate services with the new wide-body - the longest passenger jet in the world. In the Lufthansa configuration, the B747-8 will be capable of carrying around 400 passengers. "The B747-8 underlines our strategy of graded market-specific services and capacity expansion. It fits perfectly in our intercontinen-tal fleet structure and slots neatly capacity-wise between the A380 with around 550 seats and the A340-600 with around 300 seats."
Integration of this plane in the fleet highlights Lufthansa's role as an innovation driver.
"Lufthansa is an important partner for Boeing. The airline will play a critical role in helping us shape the future of the 747," said Scott Carson, President and Chief Executive Officer, Boeing Commercial Airplanes. "We are thrilled Lufthansa has chosen the 747-8 Intercontinental to be an integral part of their young and environmentally friendly fleet."
Lufthansa is equipping the 20 B747-8s with new General Electric GEnx-2B67 powerplants.
"The GEnx engines incorporate advanced, proven technologies from our highly successful GE90 engines as well as new innovation from GE's ongoing research and development programs," said Tom Brisken, General Manager of the GEnx program. "These advancements provide customers with improved fuel efficiency and reductions in emissions and noise and engine weight, and a lower cost of ownership." The new B747-8 will burn an average of around 3.5 litres to fly one passenger 100 kilometres, setting new standards in fuel efficiency.
Zamaria From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 82 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 21908 times:
N328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6200 posts, RR: 4 Reply 2, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 21925 times:
$10 says the A340-600s are part of the compensatory package.
This has been a good week for Boeing...20 747s, plus the Arkia and PrivatAir 787s and the Philippine 777s...
[Edited 2006-12-06 19:40:09]
When they call the roll in the Senate, the Senators do not know whether to answer 'Present' or 'Not guilty.' T.Roosevelt
Timboflier215 From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 1144 posts, RR: 1 Reply 5, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 21861 times:
Hurrah! I think everyone kinda saw it coming, but still. Hurrah! I hope the 747-8 gets plenty more future orders!
Lumberton From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 4708 posts, RR: 24 Reply 6, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 21785 times:
So the 748I is launched, and with a premium customer at that! I am very pleased to see the A346 order as well.
"When all is said and done, more will be said than done".
Jfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 6302 posts, RR: 1 Reply 8, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 21711 times:
Finally Boeing launched the 748-8. A great launch customer, Lufthansa is the kind of airline to make other say this plane is worth it. Now if EMIRATES sign up Boeing would be well on its way to getting the plane made. Cathay, British Airways and JAL are possibilities too.
NDSchu777 From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 419 posts, RR: 4 Reply 10, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 21704 times:
Great news! Glad we'll officially see the 747-8I get off the ground and it will look great in LH's livery. Can't wait to see Boeing's press release with the illustration of what the LH 747-8I will look like.
Johnny, this 747-8I/A340 order must have been the mixed Airbus/Boeing order you got wind of and were alluding to the past week or so. Must have been had keeping it a secret .
DfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 753 posts, RR: 54 Reply 11, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 21607 times:
At this point, a great deal of heat has now been taken off Boeing's shoulders to "prove" there is a market for the 747-8I. It can only help Boeing in negotiations with other airlines who would perhaps fear being an orphan customer.
Revelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 8004 posts, RR: 13 Reply 12, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 21610 times:
Quoting D-AIFB (Thread starter): "The B747-8 underlines our strategy of graded market-specific services and capacity expansion. It fits perfectly in our intercontinental fleet structure and slots neatly capacity-wise between the A380 with around 550 seats and the A340-600 with around 300 seats."
He's referring to that gap in the Airbus product line, isn't he?
I guess LH is not willing to "abuse" A380s. Let's see what some of the fence sitters, like BA, CX and maybe even SQ think of this.
MD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8227 posts, RR: 15 Reply 13, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 21499 times:
Great news for the Jumbo, glad to see they'll be around for years to come. The A346s were definately a surprise...since that line has not been selling well.
Revelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 8004 posts, RR: 13 Reply 15, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 21500 times:
Quoting Zamaria (Reply 2): Anybody forsee the 7 A340-600s?
Quoting Zamaria (Reply 2): $10 says the A340-600s are part of the compensatory package.
Also a good way to deflect any charges of being "anti-European".
Eugdog From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2001, 516 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 21409 times:
I think the A340 was ordered to make the 747 order more palatable to European politicians. Luthansa is a ultra prestigious airline in the most powerful country in Europe and is a major stakeholder in Airbus. The A340 order was to deflect critism of LH decision to buy the B747
Evidence
a) Timing of the A340 order exactly on the same day as the Boeing order
b) The B777 is .the better product over the 340. If only plane was needed it might make it worthwhile to buy another A340 for commonality reason. But if 7 are ordered then surely it is worth it to order the better product
This is just a view point so do not think it it cast in stone!
Beaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 33 Reply 19, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 21403 times:
Great news for Boeing who now have an official launch-customer for the 747-800 .
But also great news for Airbus,since the A340-600 is dying at an astonishing manufacturing rate..
Once the A380's in service and proven,LH will order more of those as well.
Shamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 5863 posts, RR: 17 Reply 20, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 21403 times:
Well done Boeing & Airbus!
Not that much of a blow to Airbus as the 747-8 is great fit between the A340-600 and A380.
At least this aircraft has got a passenger order and it wont just be all -Fs.
PHKLM From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Dec 2005, 1198 posts, RR: 3 Reply 21, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 21405 times:
Important order for both the 346 and 748, well done LH!
That is incredible news. Of all the possible 748 customers, LH was not high up on my list.
I had LH in 4th spot. (BA, CX and ILFC before them).
This pretty much seals whether or not we'll see more orders in the short-term.. I expect either BA or CX will follow with some 'me too' orders.. and once you get one more airline signed up ILFC will pick up around 5 for good measure.
For Boeing this is great. I'm also glad for LH. As was pointed out to me LH orders what LH wants and not what the government tells them. Hopefully this will shutup the LH arguements (while I learned from others, some have refused to).
I don't care what you think of my opinion. It's my opinion, so have a nice day :)
N328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6200 posts, RR: 4 Reply 23, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 22386 times:
Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 14): At this point, a great deal of heat has now been taken off Boeing's shoulders to "prove" there is a market for the 747-8I. It can only help Boeing in negotiations with other airlines who would perhaps fear being an orphan customer.
It helps Boeing's negotiations in another way: The other airlines were no doubt using the concept of being a launch customer to lobby for a lower price. With that role now taken, the airlines have less leverage.
Quoting Revelation (Reply 18): Also a good way to deflect any charges of being "anti-European".
You quoted the wrong person.
When they call the roll in the Senate, the Senators do not know whether to answer 'Present' or 'Not guilty.' T.Roosevelt
Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 11): Of all the possible 748 customers, LH was not high up on my list.
From all possible 7478 customers LH was the highest for me
BTW 4 engines 4 longhaul seems to be still valid
Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans - John Lennon
25 Revelation: Could these be the ones that EK refused to take? It'd be really interesting to know what LH paid for these A340-600s.
26 Osiris30: Except that LH has a LOT of 340s in service.. commonality my friend.. I really don't believe politics played into this at all.. For *LH* with their e
28 NA: W-O-N-D-E-R-F-U-L! I always "knew" this order would come, but the sheer size of it is the really astonishing thing about it. Thats a massive expansion
29 Jacobin777: What got me was.. "In a statement, Lufthansa CEO Wolfgang Mayrhuber called the 747-8 a "highly modern" plane. "The Boeing 747-8 is more than just a de
30 WINGS: This is extremely good news for both Boeing and Airbus. I have to admit that very surprised to read about the A346 order. The B748i will fit well into
31 Solnabo: Why would LH order 773ER when they got 16-17 A346, doesn´t make sense. Hopefully there to be HGW version for A346 new order. Good that LH got 748i to
32 Jimyvr: Just had this flashback when it comes to the 737-100. No one was ready and just sit and wait and see who will launch 737-100. LH did. That was 38 year
33 Revelation: I agree. Now that we know what will repace the 747s in LH's fleet (lots more 747s!) we can move on to discuss what will replace the A340s when they a
34 SeJoWa: Fan-tas-tic! I'm glad that my favorite four holers will be seen gracing the skies in LH livery. It seems aeons ago that the 747-8 was launched and mos
35 Beech19: I'm glad it was approved. Hopefully boeing will have a press release before end of business today! Congrats to Boeing and LH (and Airbus...).
36 Zamaria: What are the major reasons why it has taken this long for any airline to order the B747-8i? 1. Not a huge market for very large aircraft? 2. Boeing se
37 Jimyvr: It made sense to Air Canada when it comes to 330 and 343.... #2 is the main concern.[Edited 2006-12-06 19:53:56]
38 NDSchu777: Does anyone know the last time Lufthansa made an order for a Boeing aircraft? In the past they were a key Boeing customer for the 737 and 747, but mor
39 Timboflier215: True. But LH is hardly going to say that the 748 is old technology now that they have ordered it! And SQ may be either trying to bargain Boeing down,
41 Boeing Nut: http://today.reuters.com/news/articl...6-Dec-2006+RTRS&nav=B_CP&type=qcna
42 N328KF: I think that #2 is a non-issue. Boeing was going to wait and see what customers wanted. By being the launch customer, Lufthansa locked in their desir
43 DIA: Nice to see Boeing get that title back. Over history (of jetliners) this title went to: 1. DeHavilland - Comet 2. Boeing - 703 3. Douglas - DC-8-60 s
44 Beaucaire: Many of the A340-600's will most likely end up in Munich,increasing the Bavarian Hub's role by adding new frequencies and destinations. Not excluded t
45 Solnabo: A340-600 is much bigger than 330´s n 340´s paxwise. AC 777: Flying toothpaste - Family Pak sorry couldn´t resist Micke//
46 WINGS: Just in case no one has actually noticed, LH will become the largest operator of the A346 with 24 frames, followed by VS. Regards, Wings
47 Jacobin777: Yah..that was an interesting order..congratulations to Airbus for getting the order..it shows LH's faith and reliance on that great plane! Well..they
48 Beech19: Yes that is correct. It will be the longest. In excess of 250ft long. Boeing updated the Fact sheet on the 748i to show the same fues length! http://
49 N328KF: The discussion was fuselage length, not range.
50 Beech19: Yeah... i saw that afterword... Editing the post now... my bad...
51 NYC777: The A346 was a surprise but it fits. They already are flying the type and to order 7 77W would not have made fiscal sense. Also I also think it was pa
52 Brendows: Congrats to Boeing for securing their first order for the 748i from a pax carrier, great news! But also thumbs up to Airbus for securing seven more A3
53 PHKLM: We're talking about frame length, not range. The 345 is king range wise. Edit: You guys all beat me eventhough we're miles apart; viva A.net [Edited
54 Scorpio: Congrats to Lufthansa, Boeing and Airbus. It seems like the two planes, 747-8 and A380, do indeed fill a different niche quite nicely, and I can see m
55 NA: For sure the non-decision on the 748Is length is partly responsible, but the fact that the majority of 744s are not yet old enough to need replacemen
56 NYC777: No it isn't, the 77L is the longest range aircraft.
58 NoWorries: Does anyone have a list of "range" leaders. This article -- don't know how reliable -- suggests that Boeing is trying to recover the range lost when
59 NYC777: Given the current stretch it is supposed to be 8,000NM. I guess if they get a little bit more thrust out of the GEnx engines they could regain the ex
60 Iloveboeing: Very nice! Congratulations to Boeing, Airbus, and Lufthansa.
61 CrazyHorse: Great news for Boeing, Airbus and Lufthansa. A great day for the B747.
62 WINGS: Actually most people actually used that fraze with the A333 order. Could it actually be that they like the A346? While the 77L does hold the crown fo
63 KSUpilot: Definitely an early Christmas gift for Boeing! Can't wait to see the 748 in LH colors.
64 Ken777: Congrats to both LH & Boeing. The 748i order was more of a relief than a surprise for me. It might mean that there will be a reduction in the number o
65 YOWza: It's great to see Boeing pick this up. While most people are tied up with allegiances (hidden or not) to Airbus or Boeing having a major carrier pick
66 NYC777: And he she is: http://boeingmedia.com/imageView.cfm?id=14673&ResID=5 [imghttp://boeingmedia.com/imageView.cfm?id=14673&ResID=5[/img]
67 KL808: The qoute mentions that its to fit between the A346 and A380, so not a hug blow at all. This might be a problem since EK wanted a longer ranged aircr
68 NYC777: And he she is: http://boeingmedia.com/imageView.cfm?id=14673&ResID=5
69 Revelation: 4. 747-400s are ageing, 747-8 production slots are selling well, and there are no suitable direct replacements for it from Airbus? This strikes a blo
70 Iloveboeing: I agree. It'll be nice to see new innovations from both Boeing and Airbus in future products.
71 DIA: Agreed. What a powerful program the 747 has had and will have for years to come.
72 CrazyHorse: She looks great in LH colours. Thanks for the pic.
74 Osiris30: Y3. A lot of those 340s are newish. Be a while yet. AC also operates/operated 767s.
75 NDSchu777: She looks beautiful! The picture is now my desktop background.
76 TinkerBelle: Way to go LH. Today is a good day for Boeing, LH and me..lol. I bet nobody say the 7 A346's coming though!
77 NYC777: Ok I don't know what went with the pic but I guess you get the idea.
78 Beech19: No its not. A340-500: 9000nm http://www.airbus.com/en/aircraftfam...0a340/a340-500/specifications.html 777-200LR: 9420nm http://boeing.com/commercial
79 Gigneil: You know, the 777-300ER is a better plane, sure, no doubt. But the A340-600 is also a fantastic aircraft which LH has had some history. Ordering 777-3
80 Iloveboeing: " target=_blank>http://boeingmedia.com/imageView.cfm...sID=5 Wow! Absolutely gorgeous! It'll be nice to see them in flight!
81 Solnabo: BTW, what model have B decided for 748i: the longer range (that EK want) or longer fuselage?? Micke//
82 KL808: LH wanted the longer fuselage. It will be the same length as the F version. Drew[Edited 2006-12-06 20:27:36]
83 NYC777: News Release from Boeing: http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2006/q4/061206a_nr.html[Edited 2006-12-06 20:42:01]
84 Jimyvr: I was refering to switching from Airbus to Boeing regarding the 346 and 77W in LH.
86 Codeshare: So no 77W, which leaves the door open for A350X Still not many passenger versions of the 748 ordered. 20+20 isn't a real scorcher. KS/codeshare
87 NA: ... but in LHs case it was more 773ER vs. 748I this time. The 748I came out as the winner, thats just fantastic. I´m happy we will never see the 773
88 Beech19: It will be the 250'2" length used on the Freighter. Plus the extra long hump...
89 TeamAmerica: And so we can finally lay to rest the argument that there is somehow no demand for aircraft sized in between. It's been a pet peeve of mine that some
90 Prebennorholm: Ordering 27 four engined airliners, and zero twins, that doesn't happen every day.
91 Beech19: Its not? That is about 8 months of production and $5billion sale, thats JUST the firm order. Nearly 1.5 years of production if they convert their opt
93 KSUpilot: It really seems that the 747 family is turning into the civilian B-52, an aircraft that just keeps getting better and better with age, and will contin
94 Revelation: There is always the option to "abuse" the A380, ala SQ. From what I heard, LH never has warmed up to the 777. To me, this means the real choice was m
95 Iloveboeing: Absolutely so. Especially with new technology and innovation.
96 Asturias: Major congratulations to Boeing for getting a launch customer for the 748i. 20 frames is impressive! I was surprised LH went for more 346s, but cangra
97 Iloveboeing: It seems that LH ordered the 748 more to replace their existing 744s and then use the A380 to complement the 748s. So it may be more of having the 74
98 LY777: excellent news!!!congrats to both LH and Boeing!!!
99 LTU932: Maybe so, but if they do, I doubt they'll generously use their options, but they'll rather order maybe just 5 more, max 10, but that's it. I see the
100 N328KF: I think your perspective is skewed by the Middle East Orderathon of late. 20 VLAs is huge. It's larger than any single A380 order save that of Emirat
101 Boeing Nut: Official Boeing news release.. http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2006/q4/061206a_nr.html
102 Columba: Some people are just looking for the fly in the soup This is good news for LH and Boeing, a 20+20 order is a very good start and I am sure that we wi
103 BoomBoom: http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/busine...4892_lufthansa06ww.html?source=rss She's beautiful. Much better looking than the Whale...
104 LY777: I am now waiting for their 787 order!!!
105 AirplaneFan: Congratulations both Airbus and Boeing. Now that LH ordered the Boeing 747-800, I bet other airlines will also be interested in the airplane. The Boei
106 Jimyvr: That's the biggest show for 2007. A350 and 787 competition not yet over in twin category. Depends if the demand is high enough to have more routes su
107 Cobra27: Am a Boeing fan, but I would really like to see more A380 being ordered. I never thought that Lufthansa, an major Airbus would choose Boeing, especial
108 Beech19: The 787 at no point ever looked like it would fail... thats a ridiculous statement.
109 AirTran737: But it is. One its a lot of money. And two Boeing finally has someone who has bellied up to the bar and ordered the sucker. Now that they have a blue
110 NYC777: I thnk these substantially ups the odd in the 748I favor for an order from BA. In fact I could totally see Boeing offering a nice total package across
111 DEVILFISH: Whatever happened to it, the almost full screen view is just great! http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles...nental+passenger+variant+with.html Quote:
112 Beech19: I can see that... its a very nice 200-450 pax package across the board.
113 A342: Congrats to all the parties involved here ! It would be nice to see some 748s based at MUC. Dutchjet, there goes the LH 77W order, eh ? Sorry, couldn'
114 BoomBoom: What do you mean? It's LARGER than their A380 order, and isn't LH the second largest A380 customer?
115 LHStarAlliance: Yeah!! The Queen will stay in Lufthansa Fleet !!
116 Revelation: Yes, but what are your choices for a 400 seater? a) 777-300ER, and pack people in like sardines b) A380-800 abused, and give people in first class a
117 Iloveboeing: Yes it is. It will be nice to see them operate both the A380 and the 748.
118 Tom12: SUPERB! Just got the email and checked out the forum. About time we saw a PAX order for the 748! Tom
119 NYC777: Does anyone know if the 748I order final order or is it an LoI? Will it appear in Boeing's order books? 72 747-8 orders in one year (that includes the
120 Leelaw: Â Â I would add that despite Keesje's dismissive reaction at the time, it looks now as though James Wallace of the Seattle PI got the "storyline" ri
121 EBJ1248650: What some folks seem to miss is that Lufthansa ordering the A340-600 gives them not only an international route network but an international fleet of
122 Jacobin777: What's interesting is that LH so far is the only carrier which will have both the 748I and A380 in its fleet (maybe EK amongst others will have a dual
124 Iloveboeing: I hope EK orders the 748. Maybe a huge order of 45, like the A380. The 748 and A380 complement each other very nicely.
125 LHStarAlliance: I must say I went euphoric when I read this This is the perfect airplane to fill this gap , and we can see LH is expanding . 28+14 15 380 20 748I
126 PolymerPlane: I am glad that 747 is still gonna be in the sky for a looongg time. I bet Boeing offers LH a deal that they can't resist, which will work both ways, L
127 Revelation: LH likes it, AC asks Boeing to help it sell off its A340NG fleet, and EK refuses to accept delivery of the A340NGs they ordered. It's an interesting
128 Charlipr: I believe by LH not ordering the 787 with this order, might leave the door open for the A350 XWB (or what ever they call it now) or it might just have
129 Bbobbo: Well, considering that LH is the first and only customer right now for the 748I, how could there be any others with both the 748I and the A380?
130 LHStarAlliance: This will be really interesting , and I hope by 2013 fly both as LH Pilot!
131 United787: From Boeing's Website: "Lufthansa operates one of the youngest and most environmentally friendly fleets in the world," said Scott Carson, president an
132 NYC777: Well considering that each plane will be entering service within months of each other at LH they'll be able to accurately tell which one will be more
134 BWIA 772: Congrats to LH and Boeing. I hope that this means we will see more orders for the Intercontinental.
135 Revelation: Gee, you wanted LH to order 26 large aircraft and dozens of midsizes all at the same time? IMHO the A350XWB is the favorite to take the LH midsize or
136 BoomBoom: And what about this blast from the past: FI: Boeing Focuses On 787 Weight Not Rate (by Leelaw Aug 15 2006 in Civil Aviation)#179
138 Dampfnudel: Well done, Boeing. Then again, the 747 line has served LH well through the years, so why not continue using an upgraded version (as well as keeping th
139 USAF336TFS: My thoughts exactly. I'm wondering if those are an excercise (The 340s) of an existing or is this a new order. Forgive me if I missed the answer. Gre
140 LHStarAlliance: Now anybody can say Politics have influence in LH orders !
141 Beech19: This would be firm i'm sure. Boeing hardly makes a big announcment over a LoI. They would also say it was a commitment if it was an LoI.
142 NYC777: Cool, now I would love to fly one if UA could find a way of buying a dozen or so.
143 Beech19: I would say the UA orders will come in next year for both 748i and 787.
144 PanHAM: Great news. I never lost my confidence that exactly this will happen. Won all my bets on this one. Great for Boeing, good choice for Lufthansa and the
145 EI321: FINALLY! Great news, I was getting worried about the 748i. Dont forget that this really a replacement order for older jumbos, without which there woul
146 Iloveboeing: Probably true. One of the articles that someone posted on here said that UA is not interested in the A380, so they'll probably go for the 748.
147 Glideslope: The Flood Gates are open Boys and Girls. Aside from GE, IMO, Boeing is the best run company in the world today. They read the future as if they had a
148 Eatmybologna: Well, I have to say that I'm shocked and pleasantly surprised that LH did indeed order Boeing airplanes again. Wunderbar!!! To those of you who read m
150 Columba: With the exception of the -SP and the -300 LH has operated every version of the 747. But since the -300 and the SP are basically variants of the 747 c
151 Leelaw: ...The Lufthansa [order] therefore marks the first serious penetration into a market that was hitherto dominated by the troubled Airbus A380. Lufthans
152 BoomBoom: Indeed they did. They predicted that a full double decker plane would be too heavy. They predicted that the A380 schedule was too ambitious. They pre
153 NoUFO: Great news. I look forward to seeing the old/new Queen in LH colours - and those silenced who always mentioned German or even French politicians in th
154 Codeshare: I mean that for this version as for the cargo that's not much. It is a large aircraft and nicely fills the gap between A346/77W and A380. As well as
155 NYC777: You do realize that the A380 orders of 149 were collected over the last 6 years while th 748 (I and F) collected 72 order over the course of 1 year.
156 Corsair1107: neat. Kudos to LH, Boeing and Airbus on these great orders.
157 LHStarAlliance: This is true , but LH has said in other words that they´ll order more 380...
158 N328KF: GE-Aviation just announced a deal for $950mil (list) for 80×GEnx turbofans. That puts the price at $11.875mil per engine. So 1/6th of the deal price
159 Timboflier215: That is one gorgeous looking machine! Come on BA, cough up the cash!!
160 RayChuang: With Lufthansa's highly influential order for the 747-8I, this now opens the door for a lot of other major airlines to buy the plane. I think British
162 NYC777: True they more than likely will after they get their A380s and have flown it in revenue service for a while..they'll certainly exercise those options
163 EI321: But thats not really comparing like with like. For instance, how many of the 748 orders come from airlines that dont already operate 747s? Which can
165 N328KF: That would have been easier for NW if they had opted for the GEnx on their 787s.
166 Iwok: the 747 is DEAD. NOT Good news too on the 346. iwok
167 EI321: In my opinion, theres absolutly no point in LH firming up options on A380s now, considering that 1) The wont recieve the first of the original order
168 DAYflyer: Dont feel bad, LH was not high on my list of possible 747-8 customers either. Great news for the 747-8 program!
172 FRAspotter: Great news for LH and the 748. I was reading in todays USA Today pg. 4B and saw an article that said that LH was going to place an order today. This w
173 NoUFO: Now you are painting your picture a bit too bright. - The 787 is not Boeing's direct A380 competitor. - And if you confused the 748 with the 787: nei
174 Iloveboeing: I am too! The 747 is a great airplane!
175 Zvezda: That's a remarkable statement. 20 B747-8I SuperJumbos plus 15 WhaleJets is a large capacity increase over the current 30 Jumbos. I don't find either
176 2wingtips: Congrats to Johnny, who said there would be an early Dec announcement, the 748I was likely to be ordered and both Airbus/Boeing would share the orders
177 NYC777: This will probably be the last version of the 747 that Boeing produces. After that it'll be the Y3 for the 77W to 748 (350 to 500 seat) replacement ma
178 Zvezda: The 8 additional WhaleJets for QF are a firm order. Still, the WhaleJet has had net sales of -2 since Boeing launched the SuperJumbo.
179 Glom: I hereby declare the aircraft is no longer the Jumbo Not Yet, but it in fact the Jumbo Jet.
180 Swissy: Nice to see the 747-8 has finally a order, thank you LH for pulling B out of the hole.... in regard of the pax version. I am sure LH has it all worked
181 LY777: It will be very interesting, indeed.I wonder how the Y3 will be...
182 JayinKitsap: It is about 1/8th the total 380 orders. It is bigger than all but one 380 order and as many as any airline except EK has firmed up for the 380. (EK o
183 ERAUgrad02: Wonder what LH is doing in a bigger 747-800 but only putting 400 pax max? Are they going to do the sky suites too? Gloreous news indeed.
184 LHStarAlliance: Sure they´ve had some champagne today in Seattle
185 USAF336TFS: If Boeing is in a "hole" then that's the kind of hole the stockholders love having it in. Cargo is still in play, and unconfirmed sources report that
186 Beech19: I have heard numbers as high as 20% of the cost of an airframe is the engines. GE90-115's run in the $20Mil a peice range.
187 Swissy: I am talking about the non existing orders of the 47-8 pax version.... Well lets say it that way the T7F is on the marked and therefore sure will be
188 Stitch: Thought I heard champagne corks popping across the street. I am sure Boeing is happy to finally get that monkey off their back and in a very strong w
189 Tugger: I don't that you can morally, legally, or ethically use the term "grace the skies" for the B(UFF)-52! (and yes, I know you were primarily referring t
190 Ncelhr: And this all proves the point that many people on these forums try to make, but many others (the A vs. B warmongers) choose to ignore, which is that i
191 Bphendri: Finnaly with a launch customer, and Thai threatening to cancel it's A380 order. I wonder if this will prompt other 744 customers to finnaly place orde
192 LHStarAlliance: 5 330 and 7 346 this is a really good compensation...
193 BoomBoom: I didn't say it was. Please don't put words in my mouth. The A380 was Airbus' all new plane, the 787 was Boeing's all new plane. Now Airbus has to sc
197 NYC777: Well I think they start building the first one in the first quarter of 2009 and first delivery of the passenger version to LH is I think in mid 2010
198 BoomBoom: No, I was refering to the size of the LH order by units.
199 DIA: “Lufthansa is noted for its careful aircraft selection. It must have been somewhat difficult to have made the decision that they did, given Germanyâ
200 Beech19: Well considering its setting new standards... i'd say its lower. Just a hunch... Well... 748F's FF is Q4'08 with EIS of late 09 and the 748I cert and
201 Iloveboeing: Totally agree, 100%. Both Airbus and Boeing make good, quality products.
202 LHStarAlliance: How long will the Approval Test be , because LH says they´ll get the 748 in 2010..?
203 Toering: I think we will be seeing the 747-8 on the DEN flight over the A380, like once thought before.
204 Dcrawley: I must say congrats to Boeing and Airbus, but also to a.net member Eureka for having a little insider knowledge on this a few days ago. Thanks! " targ
205 Zvezda: I would be willing to wager that at the end of 2007 there will be more B747s in the backlog than WhaleJets.
206 Osiris30: Including Freighters? I would say that happens this year.. I'm still expecting another big PAX 748 order before the close of this year. And another c
207 Iloveboeing: Who else do you have in mind? I'm thinking maybe British Airways, Cathay Pacific, Japan Airlines?
208 DIA: With the addition of the second daily LH to DEN, I'd agree...the flights will eventually end up as one A346 and one 748i. Just my spec.
210 LTU932: Let's continue here please. LH Orders 20 747-8 And 7 A340-600 Part II (by Columba Dec 6 2006 in Civil Aviation)
211 Columba: This thread is getting pretty long so I started a new thread on this topic where you can discuss further: http://www1.airliners.net/discussion...eral_
212 HighFlyer9790: This fantstic! but to me the A346s came out of no where. this is truly great news for boeing and i think the 747 is still queen of the skies...
213 Tugger: Sorry for being confusing BoomBoom. I was referring to what Codeshare was talking about not your response. Tug EDIT: typo[Edited 2006-12-06 23:59:27]
215 Thebry: Although "looks" are definitely subjective, I agree wholeheartedly with you about the looks of the 747-8i. The position of the cockpit above the lowe
216 Zvezda: Depends also on the rate at which customers cancel WhaleJet orders.
217 PillowTester: This is awesome! That 747-8 image in Lufthansa colors looks so good too!
218 Dutchjet: Marvelous news......LH did go with the 748 over the 77W, which I am sure pleased Boeing as the 77W is well established in the market place while the
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