United Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 8536 posts, RR: 21 Posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 874 times:
Although there are news saying that Boeing may drop the B 747X program in favour of something else, I still believe they will push the B 747X Program harder.
I personally believe that the B 747X/X Stretch program will be a success eventually. At least as successful as the A 380, or even more.
Airlines that will order this product are the ones which own the B 747-400. They will eventually need to replace them and I guess the B 747-400LR or the B 747X are ideal replacements for these aircraft.
The X Stretch can be used on ultra high capacity routes.
What do you guys think? Will Boeing produce the B 747X/X Stretch eventually?
CX flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6114 posts, RR: 57 Reply 1, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 814 times:
No.
Boeing, it seems has stopped promoting the 747X. If airlines want it, fine, Boeing will build it, but it is no longer being actively marketed to the airlines, so Boeing will not push the 747X program harder. They are stopping just short of giving up totally.
CX flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6114 posts, RR: 57 Reply 4, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 792 times:
Yes, I'm interested in it, but I'm not serious about buying one. My Director of Flight Operations told me today that Boeing had stopped actively marketing the aircraft. If they were sure that it would sell, then they wouldn't do this would they?
Widebody From Ireland, joined Aug 2000, 1148 posts, RR: 10 Reply 6, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 783 times:
Why would they shelve it? Lack of interest on their part of lack of interest on the airlines part? I suppose the 747-400X would serve as an adequate replacement for current 747's......
Boeing nut From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 7, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 777 times:
I would be very surprised if the 747X Stretch Freighter was not launched. Air cargo is still big business. The 747X can perform capabilities that the A380 never will.
CX, where did your director of flight Ops hear that Boeing has stopped marketing the aircraft? That's almost laughable. Boeing just recently completed another symposium with interested airlines. They constructed a full scale mockup of the overhead utilization proposal. They have redesigned the wing to have the same airfiol as the 777. Not the same wing, just the airfoil. They have also hired more than 100 more employees to work on the program. These are facts that were printed in Aviation Week & Space Technology. Whether we see the 747X is still questionable. But to say that Boeing has stopped marketing the program is ludicrous.
GOT From Sweden, joined Dec 2000, 1912 posts, RR: 2 Reply 9, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 765 times:
I don't think the 747X ever will be produced. For every order Airbus get for the A380 the final production decision seems to be longer and longer away. I fBoeing doesn't come up with a lot of costumers within a year or so, the 747X program will be dropped in favour for something else.
GOT
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CX flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6114 posts, RR: 57 Reply 10, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 734 times:
Boeing nut, you are obviously a Boeing nut. Whether you believe it or not is up to you. This is what I was told and I believe him. It would be interesting to get someone from Boeing marketing to see what their monthly expenses for 747X marketing are and see what the monthly trend is. I'm sure that the costs are going down.
Apparently Korean are the only airline really interested in the 747X Freighter.
Gunfighter 6 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2001, 404 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 731 times:
I don't think the 747x program will be launched.
let me remind you that boeing hasn't even have one potential buyer. yet airbus has nine major airlines on the list.
i think boeing is realising that the boeing 747x is not the right path for boeing.
i believe if Boeing will concentrate more on the smaller aircraft it will obtain a dominant position in the market because it are the smaller aircraft who are in demand these days.
United Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 8536 posts, RR: 21 Reply 12, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 728 times:
Probably the B 747-400LR will do well. Eventually the B 747-400s need to be replaced. By then, current B 747-400 operators will place a large order on it, hopefully.
I think Boeing still has a chance to dominate the large aircraft market with its B 747-400, B 747-400LR, as well as the BWB in the future.
Kangar From Ireland, joined Feb 2000, 395 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 717 times:
United Airline, I'm sorry, but will you please look at the facts, every post you seem to make says the same thing, you think Boeing will make the 747X. Fair enough, but just about every event since Boeing dreamed it up has been a step back from the 747X. They are dropping it. When 747-400's come up for replacement, they will be replaced by 777-300's on lower utilised routes, and by A3XX's on the higher capacity routes. They've all but said they're dropping it themselves, when will you be convinced?
Ab.400 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 17, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 710 times:
Regarding todays news on yahoo, Boeing cancelled the 747X.... I am surprised.
BTW, I had my very first flight on a B747 today: DTW-FRA on Lufthansa´s D-ABVW. Really a great Aircraft, a little bit louder than the A340 but the cabin is very impressive with it´s nearly straight sidewalls.
Ckw From UK - England, joined Aug 2010, 323 posts, RR: 19 Reply 18, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 698 times:
I heard an official statement from Boeing on BBC Radio late last night confirming they are dropping the 747X
and concentrating on something more mid-size with an emphasis on speed and range.
Boeing may well have encountered what Airbus did - when considering very large aircraft, they first looked at stretching the A.340 but found they couldn't do any better than a 10% improvement in operating economics without going to a whole new airframe. The airlines weren't interested in a 10% improvement. Possibly the same applies to the 747 - unless Boeing could come up with the same or better operating economics as the A.380 they would be seriously disadvantaged in sales.
Now the interesting question is, does this jeopardize the A.380 program? To operate this monster efficiently, airports/airlines are gonna have to make a large investment in infrastructure (special jetways, baggage handling). If Boeing is now saying there's not a future in very large aircraft will airlines/airports still make the investment?
Na From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 8612 posts, RR: 11 Reply 19, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 690 times:
The A380 is a far more realistic plane for the future than the new Boeing aircraft-project will be. The Boeing jet will be only half-size, will use a lot more fuel (typically american, they don´t care about wasting energy), that means higher fares at first. It will be narrower and therefore less comfortable than a Jumbo. You´ll need twice as many aircraft, twice as many crews to pay for, you´ll have more accidents and more noise around airports. And all these disadvantages because you can save one hour crossing the Atlantic.
Sushka From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 4784 posts, RR: 19 Reply 20, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 682 times:
Boeing nut From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 21, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 666 times:
CX flyboy,
I quess I should have waited to hear the press release before putting my foot in my mouth. My apologies. When I read your post the first time I assumed you meant that Boeing is NO LONGER promoting the 747X in any way shape or form. Indeed they are still promoting it, just scaled back. I still have a gut feeling that the 747X Frieghter still may have a chance though. Nothing to back that up, just a feeling.
Do you think CX will be in on the design of the "sonic Cruiser"? Maybe a possible replacement of the A340 on some routes?
RIX From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1779 posts, RR: 1 Reply 22, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 656 times:
"The A380 is a far more realistic plane for the future than the new Boeing aircraft-project will be." - you know, once DC-6 was much more realistic than 707...
...and, please, stop your anti-American jealousy. If you have problems, the aviation forum is the last place to help you.
ILUV767 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3140 posts, RR: 10 Reply 24, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 653 times:
United Airline wrote:
The B 777s will ONLY replace the B 747 Classics but NOT the B 747-400. Newer generations of B 747-400, or even the BWB, will replace the B 747-400.
United Airline....so not TRUE! Look at BA. Also, lets examine the 777 over the 747 for a minute shall we?
-The 777 provides much more cargo capacity than the 747 (this is where the real money is!)
-Operating 2 engines over 4
-ETOPS is not a problem...esp with ETOPS 240....777 can go anywhere in the world. Even ETOPS 204 is good...but 180 will allow you to make all transpacific flights.
-It is much much easier to keep your yields up on a 777 than a 747.
-Airline configuration of the 777...they can cram as many people in there as they want to. They could do 400 with out any problems. At UA...there is about 350 seats in the 744, and from Boeing, there is about 350 seats in the 773.
Just some food for thought!
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25 Na: Hi RIX, sorry I don´t accept your critic. Saying "typically american, they don´t care about wasting energy" is nothing but the proven truth. You can
26 RIX: Na, you may have whatever you want arguments for/against anything, but the moment you say "typically American/European/Russian/Jewish/Islamic...", you
27 B7474: I think the 747-500 will sell but not the 600.I just think the -600 is the failure not the -500.All the airlines that ordered the 777-200LR should con
28 CX flyboy: Boeing_nut, No problem!!! Yes, CX is on the design board for the new plane, about 11 or 12 airlines are on the board, including, CX, JL, KE, BA, AA, L
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