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Official DL/US Merger Thread: Fleet Speculation  
User currently offlineDiamond From United States, joined Apr 2004, 3121 posts, RR: 71
Posted (2 years 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3721 times:
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This thread is to speculate how the merged airline's fleet might take shape in the future.


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User currently offlineHPRamper From United States, joined May 2005, 2086 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (2 years 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3693 times:

Anyone else think the DL proposal might, in part, be US sending a message to Airbus?


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User currently offlineUSAF336TFS From United States, joined Apr 2005, 1197 posts, RR: 38
Reply 2, posted (2 years 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3475 times:

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 1):
Anyone else think the DL proposal might, in part, be US sending a message to Airbus?

I do... I wouldn't be surprised if Parker is trying to get out of the A350 commitment.


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User currently offlineD L X From United States, joined May 1999, 6531 posts, RR: 46
Reply 3, posted (2 years 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3347 times:

Quoting USAF336TFS (Reply 2):
I wouldn't be surprised if Parker is trying to get out of the A350 commitment.

US isn't committed to the 350. If Parker wants out, it's just a phone call away, iirc.

User currently offlineBurkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 911 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3347 times:

You guys are so funny! You love to speculate about aircrafts that are ten years away from first service and 20 years away from having a severe impact on revenues.

These guys have problems now. They have A330s,777,767,757, A320s, B737 classic and NG, MD80, MD90, Emb 190 and more smaller stuff around them now, they are an active museum of last 20 years of aircraft history. They have enough to sort out now - so we can speculate without danger anybody will proven false as long as anybody else remembers...

Anybody has the actual combined fleet numbers?

User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States, joined Nov 2001, 9362 posts, RR: 69
Reply 5, posted (2 years 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3100 times:

Not that it helps the fleet picture much, but I thought DL removed their few MD90s from the fleet?


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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined exactly 7 years ago today! , 10434 posts, RR: 79
Reply 6, posted (2 years 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3066 times:
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Quoting D L X (Reply 3):
US isn't committed to the 350. If Parker wants out, it's just a phone call away, iirc.

Correct. In the meantime, he gets the best of both worlds.

Presumably, he gets the A350 somewhere near the price originally negotiated and he gets the launch customer discount.

If he doesn't like the aircraft on launch, if it is too much plane or whatever, he can cancel. If it suits what he wants to do he gets the new aircraft at a darn good price.

If he complains that the plane is too late for him, he'd probably get a good deal on some A330's in the interim.

He's in the catbird seat.

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 1):
in part, be US sending a message to Airbus?

In view of the above, what message would he want to send?

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User currently offlineFutureFO From Ireland, joined Oct 2001, 2841 posts, RR: 22
Reply 7, posted (2 years 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3021 times:

The M90's are still flying for DL.


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User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States, joined Feb 2006, 6244 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (2 years 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2830 times:

Quoting USAF336TFS (Reply 2):
I do... I wouldn't be surprised if Parker is trying to get out of the A350 commitment.



Quoting D L X (Reply 3):
US isn't committed to the 350. If Parker wants out, it's just a phone call away, iirc.

And someone above already said they have long-haul 767s, 777s, and aren't they taking order of the 787? To Parker, an easy way of getting very long-haul aircraft to open Asian routes, and PHX-Europe routes...


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User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States, joined Nov 2001, 9362 posts, RR: 69
Reply 9, posted (2 years 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2807 times:

Quoting FutureFO (Reply 7):
The M90's are still flying for DL.

Really? I thought they'd elected to retire that fleet type, since there were so few of them and therefore they were more of a burden to the bottom line.

I could have sworn they were gone. Weird.

Well, I'd guess that would be the first sub-fleet gone if said merger occurs. Thoughts?


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User currently offlineFutureFO From Ireland, joined Oct 2001, 2841 posts, RR: 22
Reply 10, posted (2 years 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2744 times:

Out of SLC-LAX and CVG-SLC as well as a few other places.


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User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States, joined Oct 2004, 4268 posts, RR: 16
Reply 11, posted (2 years 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2694 times:

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 5):
Not that it helps the fleet picture much, but I thought DL removed their few MD90s from the fleet?

All 15 of them make their way through SLC and to a smaller extent CVG on a daily basis...

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 9):
Well, I'd guess that would be the first sub-fleet gone if said merger occurs. Thoughts?

In my twisted mind, here is what the new airline MIGHT look like

777-200ER/LR, A330-200/-300, 767-200/-300/-400, 757-200 (the DL fleet is larger, so perhaps the US fleet will be reengined?), A319/A320/A321, and the Express....


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User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States, joined Feb 2006, 6244 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (2 years 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2648 times:

Express fleet... It looks like DL doesn't operate any prop planes? just the CR2/7s? The CRJ200s will disappear I am sure... so what about this:

E75/70s for RP (US express)
CR7 (US and DL express)
CR9 (US)

Q1, 2, and 3 (US)
Saab340 (US)
maybe a dozen Beeches as well that are too small for Q1 service like LNS-PIT and others

The 50-seat jets have already been argued to have been uneconomical, so no ERJ145s and especially no CRJ-200s!

Thoughts?

looking up both USAir and DL on their respective websites for fleet info...


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User currently offlineLoggat From United States, joined Feb 2000, 368 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2634 times:

ASA operates ATR 72's and Freedom operates DH8's for DL


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User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States, joined Mar 2006, 1596 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (2 years 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2590 times:

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 12):
It looks like DL doesn't operate any prop planes?

SkyWest also flies Embraer-120s from SLC to several cities in UT and ID.


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User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States, joined Jun 2006, 7096 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (2 years 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2574 times:

If US/DL merges, heres my guess:

Short Haul:
738/9ER
E190
A319/320/321
752ETOPS
763

Long Haul:
752ETOPS
762ER/763ER/764ER/777LR/ER
A333/332

Types leaving:
MD88/ MD90/ 733/ 734

That leaves alot of planes to be replaced and my guess is that a bunch of B738/739ER would be ordered and also airbuses too.

MCOflyer


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User currently offlineGigneil From United States, joined Nov 2002, 13462 posts, RR: 81
Reply 16, posted (2 years 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2569 times:

A bunch of A320s yes. Doubtful they would add to the 737 fleet, there's just no reason.

The 738s will happily join the fleet of 733s and 734s, and they will need the capacity well into the future.

NS

User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States, joined Feb 2006, 6244 posts, RR: 11
Reply 17, posted (2 years 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2564 times:

Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 14):
SkyWest also flies Embraer-120s from SLC to several cities in UT and ID.

Thanks. I thought that there would be some way of looking up TOTAL fleet information on DL's website. Apparently there is not, unlike on US' website. Then again, airline webpages vary from airline/website to airline/website. I guess it depends on who develops them for the airlines as well...

I was just trying to do my homework if you will and see if I could come up with anything regarding express/regional fleet and think of what a combined service would look like. I know that Comair is nothing more than a financial burden to DL basically, well, according to other a.netters anyway, 50-seat CRJs are not very economical either, I don't know about Beeches, are they too small? But what does that leave really small airports like LNS? I don't think a route like LNS-PIT would be very profitable if operated with a DH8 as opposed to Beech1900s, or would it mean the end to LNS-PIT service (providing that the beeches are cut?)

I will think of other questions later...


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User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States, joined Mar 2006, 1596 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (2 years 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2511 times:

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 17):
But what does that leave really small airports like LNS? I don't think a route like LNS-PIT would be very profitable if operated with a DH8 as opposed to Beech1900s, or would it mean the end to LNS-PIT service (providing that the beeches are cut?)

I think DL with the new management would keep the EAS service. It could just be transferred to Colgan Air. This might take more work than we realize, but there has to be some rationalization of US Airways Express operators. They simply have too many. I think six or seven carriers is enough. No airline needs ten commuter/regional operators to do their local service.


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User currently offlineFCYTravis From United States, joined Sep 2005, 1191 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (2 years 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2496 times:

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 16):
A bunch of A320s yes. Doubtful they would add to the 737 fleet, there's just no re